5 years. Omnipotent= One above All (Not celestial) Nigh-Omnipotent= (Pre-recton Beyonder), Living Tribunal, Pre-recton Molecule Man. George and Jessica vs Gaap and Ronove. Sppople. Oct 21, 2006 #2 Yeah there was a few threads about just how powerful pre-retcon beyonder is. give evidence of who wins. When Molecule Man faced The Sentry, he was in his unrestrained normal-self as he showed himself able to use his powers in new ways as he got rid of all his negative beliefs on his abilities (the Dark Reign Files are a. I see, so Gilgamesh is indeed powerful, but still difficult to tier consistently with all those different statements / showings. This fifth dimensionl counted. Pre-retcon Beyonder was almost omnipotent. trolls can call other people trolls. That is PRE-retcon Beyonder. Wiki Points. He was thousands of times the power of the Marvel. Meanwhile, the Presence is said to have been created by external forces and is. This is way larger than the entire Marvel verse and DC verse. The Tribunal wins this without even breaking a sweat. 8: Hulk /w The One Below All. He needed to use his entire power to kill mistress death which left. Archie Sonic vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder 62 results; 1; 2; pr0d1gy. Rick Sanchez (Rick and Morty) Respect Rick Sanchez (Rick and Morty). Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes beyond all that. Fight till death. HANDBOOK FOR POST RECTON. - featherin vs Lamdadelta (not an actual battle, featherin smashed/trashed Lamda with no actual effort) 3. And again, this requires their power to be bound, in a sense, such as when gods are unable to interact with the mortal plane directly and must work through agents there instead. Beyonder is the absolute strongest in comics, he has power of. Apr 18, 2021. @slacker the hacker said: "@Mackeja said: "Pre-retcon spite. Everyone in current Marvel (except The One Above All, and Living Tribunal. Half of these people are irrelevant because their power levels overlap so much. wanda at full power>Beyonder, Molecule Man Pre retcon. Power-level wise, the Beyonder is so far 'beyond' the Anti-Monitor it's not even funny. -Everything in bleach. Both are in character. CryptoI would think that a Level 100 character would be something like the pre-retcon version of The Beyonder from Marvel Comics. Followers. Far from Beyonder levels. I know someone think that Victor means Cosmic cube not Beyonder pre-retcon ,but I think it's Beyonder pre-retcon. Instead of dealing with the two out right, the Presence gets help from his agents. . Spectre is tapped into God so he has an unlimited amount of power at his disposal. A few pages leter Beyonder comes back kills Doom and starts curb stomping everyone including wrecking the mutli verse and breaking apart countless realities That's what Pre Retcon Beyonder is A. Fires a blast that according to Beyonder, could slag Several Billion Dimensions. Yeah true. • 1 year ago. Numidium 2. The Pre Rectcon Beyonder is basically a galaxy spanning Pamela Geller, Richard Dawkins and Salman Rushdie rolled into one universal power, the Beyonder has the power to stomp on the Quran or Koran. Forum Posts. Forum Posts. 8 C. Join this channel to get access to perks:…The Beyonder was an impossibly powerful being who held the Secret Wars, essentially kidnapping a whole bunch of heroes and villains and making them fight for his. So if you scale his power he would be at the same level as TOAA is now. let's wait and see his actual feats. Mutant Inhuman Beyonder. Pre retcon Beyonder isn't aware of doctor strange. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. Pre-Retcon Beyonder: On the opposite side of that spectrum, is the Beyonder. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Destiny is shown to be above DC as a whole. Don't think God Thing's H4X compares. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. Superhuman Strength: Superman Prime One Million has the ability to physically lift humongous levels of weight, and deliver physical blows of colossal magnitudes. However PR Beyonder has more power than basically all of existence and attacks that destroyed multiverses were nothing to. Stops at 4. Super Power Score and Level. Anyway Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than most of the shit in marvel including multiversal threats like Galactus and Thanos. Beyonder: Biography: The man, the myth, the legend. Pre Retcon Beyonder coming to Marvel Multiverse due to curiosity is also a karma. Pre-retcon beyonder is equal toaa in power. Pre Retcon Beyonder is TOAA of a world much much larger than Marvel Multiverse. . Both sides are in character but determined to win. Jul 30, 2018. Protege was getting the upper hand on Beyonder rather quicky b4 LT inturrupted their fight, i say Protege ". 3. Pre recton beyonder is one of the most over wanked marvel characters . Could go either way, but I'm siding with Beyonder. Pre Retcon Beyonder is the Supreme Being. It is unclear whether his power under this retcon is greater of lesser than the Cosmic Cube version of the Beyonder, or if it is even at the level of Pre-Retcon Beyonder. You. So even at a lower power level, Lucifer may still beat him. 5 years ago. Based on Owen's estimation of Beyonder's power levels. The level determines the final score, of the Super Power, being used in the calculation. Super Power Score and Level. Thought Robot without any effort. Master-Tee • 2 yr. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Pre Retcon Beyonder (Same reason as The Presence) Kami Tenchi (Once again, for similar reasons as The Presence) Archived post. The Beyonder might be incredibly powerful (especially in his pre retcon state), but power means nothing to something which predates and transcends things like power, life,. Full cosmic cubes, like Kubik and Shaper, are more powerful. Based on Owen's estimation of Beyonder's power levels. Vs. Share to. Beyonder is kicked away. Business, Economics, and Finance. Inherent in his almost limitless psionic abilities the Beyonder has the potential to affect reality in a manner that could, in theory, simulate virtually any power. Beyonder Pre-Retcon was a REALM. A man as powerful as he is chronically insecure character, Owen Reece has the power to control all matter and energy. The Beyonder is millions of times more powerful than the combined power in the multiverse which includes the Living Tribunal - Scan 1. which allows michael to ignore boundless narrative hierarchy and can create the concept to make new ones over and. 9 years ago. Reality merely became whatever the Beyonder's imagination was. Also. His book alone has all. 0. cweaver • 7 yr. These two interpretations are overpowered as hell, but they have their share of a few problems. To believe that all infinite multiversals are equal is to believe LT would "stalemate" the likes of Time Eater Lavos and Zeedmilleniummon. the_doctor. Dormamu Eternity Power 27. Text under CC-BY-SA licenseThe Beyonder is the physical manifestation of the beyond realm itself, the beyond realm is superior/transcendent over the marvel Multiverse in it's entirety, is beyond all planes of. g: Master Roshi, Donkey Kong. That one time Phoenix Force making Pre Retcon Beyonder struggle: is this a testament to her power?. Wiki Points. We should really stop putting Beyonder in Threads. K. Pre-recton Beyonder, was the sum of everything. Beyonder preretcon upgrade to 1A. Super forms can change from one battle to the next in power level, although there is. Beyonder - Writer (according to Stan Lee PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality) I pretend nothing!Summary. Forum Posts. King_Saturn. The Beyonder is far, far beyond a Multiversal. Pre-retcon Molecule Man. Beyonder was affecting the entire Marvel multiverse or omniverse, or something like that, all at once. Then again PRB could be true Omnipotent, but it seems like too much of a stretch. In other words the only feat the One Above All has that is confirmed is creating a reality of infinite. May 26, 2023. 14 years ago. The Beyonder stomps. We can actually prove that Pre-Retcon Beyonder is fodder to Composite-DC. 2. Sorry. During Fantastic Four #319, the Beyonder was retconned into being an incomplete Cosmic Cube, with the Molecule Man as his other half. normal Round 2. Pre Retcon is still cooler, jist because of cosmology Expansion, defenders beyonder seems stronger but he is featless for now. Loki God Of Stories 17. Forums. Combine Pre-Retcon Beyonder and all the Marvel reality warpers, as well as Manhattan and. May 26, 2023. Something ppl get wrong. Nope. we have here two supreme beings, fighting in all the multiverse, and they don't care if the multiverse is destroyed or not, all they care about is toBeyonder (Pre-Retcon) runs the gauntlet. Been done here on the vine. You can't be above the power of the wrtiers. Current Beyonder looks to be back to his Pre Retcon level. New Comics. ] Planet Buster Tier: Able to destroy a planet [E. The Beyonder was originally an organizer of a massive. unlimited power to manipulate matter and energy; invulnerable. Pre Retcon Beyonder is the Supreme Being. PR Beyonder is probably the strongest comic character there is if you go by feats alone and not by hype. Unless you thought that this was IG Thanos and Post-Retcon Beyonder, in which case your assessment makes sense. Stronger than all other beings in the Multiverse, Including Abstracts. #28 ovy7. Even The. Pre-Retcon Beyonder. ago. The One Above All, as per the name is above all. I agree, but you have to understand that the only things in the Marvel Multiverse more powerful than the Infinity Stones, and by extension the Gauntlet, are the The Living Tribunal, The Heart of the Universe, The Fulcrum (which is the man Jack Kirby himself), pre-retcon Beyonder (arguably), The Marquis of Death (non-canon), and. Molecule Man can battle Beyonder. There are other impressive feats to show, but they are. there are tons of ways to argue. He’s stronger than the one above all who is pretty much god above god. DC team : The Darkest Knight, Perpetua and Doctor Manhattan. Rune King Thor cant beat a fully fed. I don’t think Lucifer scales above them. We knew this but Galactus is less than a fly to Beyonder, this is after but one show of power from Beyonder. This is the power level used when referring to PR Beyonder or PR Molecule Man. Orphic Zeus. Pre Retcon Beyonder. Gen. Beyonder is not that strong unless you wank him with his omnipotence bs which is stupid considering Michael's power has been stated to be limitless too. Thanos with the HotU has destroyed a Celestial, absorbed every Marvel hero, and then subsequently Eternity, Infinity, and the Living Tribunal. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. CC Goku is outerversal while in Uni Blue, meanwhile Pre retcon Beyonder as far as i know is high outer and has way better feats, apart from being part of a much larger cosmology. Unless you thought that this was IG Thanos and Post-Retcon Beyonder, in which case your assessment makes sense. 11. Though with infinite power he is far more concerned about his place in life after being the all and everything within his realm he tries to understand the concepts of Life, Death, and Desire all things that he want experience. 7: Old Lord Thanos. @slacker the hacker said: "@Mackeja said: "Pre-retcon spite. Beyonder is just Metaverse level or Low Metaverse. But I no good enough knowing about Lucifer Morningstar . Stage 4 - Retcon 1 - Dumb, Dumb, Dumb - It is reveled that everything in secret wars I & II was mearly an illusion. 2. R2: God stomps. He should win against Lucifer. They have never adapted to PR Beyonder level power. Metaphysical power sets, hax (Well, can consider both the same if you want, since Gilgamesh's hax adheres to metaphysical power sets) Beyonder has simply no resistence against, surperior cosmology. Holo-Man • 3 yr. Does it matter by that logic Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) because he didnt resist doom taking his power thats a contradiction in your opinion about PR Beyonder. I personally think ART wins, but it could go either. Nope. He is. 8. She needed an amp (once from Kang, once from Doom) to reach the levels of power she had to cause M-Day. Thanos would be able to overpower Cosmic Entities like the Beyonder and, on top of that, Thanos is more used to using power on this scale than Doom. Beyonder is hurt. #1 Omega48. Pretty much unbeatable is incorrect. I mean, Beyonder is going to kill him ONCE and then Doomsday would instantly be at Beyonder's power level AND be immune to reality. The Beyonder was ALMOST killed by a Universe level attack. Im pretty much clueless on DB and its power levels; but, i cant picture pre retcon beyonder having any difficulties with dragon ball verse characters. Specificity of the Beyonder is that everything he thinks is real, and. Let's put it this way. Beyonder explicitly said "everything you can dream about, I can do", and it is confirmed by few characters present there. That said, Beyonder loses anyway otherwise and badly (really badly) mainly because Lucifer crushes the BeyondRealm and can survive all of Beyonder's max feat and max implied level of power. Powers and Stats. Gen. Poll Eru Iluvatar vs Beyonder ( Pre Retcon ) (41 votes) Eru 61%. This was a level of power on par with the Universe itself. On page, on screen, on panel feats. Doom stated the LifeForce >>> the power of Beyonder. Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the literal principle and the executioner at the same time yes their was scans of Beyonder TANKing universe busting and faster than light attacks he even was able to. Beyonder doesn't have omniversal feats to even put him on an omniversal level, much less beyond omniversal level. Pre-retcon Beyonder is the be all-end all of ALL comicbook characters. Thank you. Queen Of Never 25. Biography: The man, the myth, the legend. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. Nope that’s pre-retcon not post retcon. Also, you should prove that Dormammu and Eternity can not just destroy but ONESHOT multiverse. Jan 29, 2017. Follow 3000. - Fight Scenario -. The Beyonder clearly held Scathan's power in deep respect. Round 1: Pre Retcon. Molecule Man Beyonder Power 15. 3. Scathan has decided he no longer "Approves" of the beyonders exsistance. Pre-ret beyonder was collapsing parallel dimensions as a byproduct of deep conflicting thought, Thanos could probably achieve this seeing how he wiped the universe clean but Beyonder just seems. Jack Kline can’t do shit. 4. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. Origin: Marvel Comics. CryptoBrainiac, the highest level intellect in all of DC and the only villain to go out into the Source to find more information how things really are, says Myxzptlk's power of Imagination is infinite. 1000 Tribunals and 1000 Eternitys wouldn't do jack against him. However, let's remember; PR Beyonder let Dr. The mightiest beings (Living Tribunal) are microbes to him. no that was post-retcon Beyonder, and I think she actually had borrowed some of his power and then returned it to him. 1st Retcon - Beyonder was a cosmic cube who dreamed everything (so SW & SW II did not happen) . -One. I think he wins this. He is a cosmic cube which is an Omni-dimensional object that can expand infinitely but that is only a limited part of him because he limits himself. Jan 22, 2017. Even if Thanos had 100 years prep and had the IG, PR Beyonder erases him from existence with his hand. Molecule Man, who at the time of the Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the second most powerful being EVER, let off a blast, point blank in the Beyonder's face that was said to be powerful enough to destroy THOUSANDS of dimensions, it was shrugged off by the Beyonder. Pre-retcon beyonder vs Dr manhattan Thread starter BBNicky; Start date Apr 18, 2021; BBNicky. At that time, The Beyonder was more powerful than the Living Tribunal and thus everything else in the Marvel Universe. Divine mystical enhancements granting near omnipotent abilities. Endless Mike. No prep everyone is at peak level all blood lusted to the death fight takes place in space. 8 years ago. I forget her name. Pre-retcon Secret Wars II Beyonder. Maybe the 3rd depending on how you interpret things, and we don’t know the 4th. Super forms can change from one battle to the next in power level, although there is. But Pre-retcon Beyonder is just a cut above the rest in terms of these characters. it would be mostly stalemate. There are other impressive feats to show, but they are all after the retcon. Marvel team : Pre-Retcon Molecule Man, The Beyonder & Living Tribunal. 3: Pre-retcon Beyonder 4: Post-retcon Beyonders. The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon): vs. Lucifer is a different beast. The beyonder = The One above all. Thanos HOTU has a fraction of the power of the One-Above-All, the most powerful being of both the Marvel and DC Universes. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. ]Just because that occurred, does not mean Pre-Retcon Beyonder's "im ominoptent" statement holds any weight. Victory by permanent death or erasure. Pre-Retcon Beyonder v. Here are all his interpreted levels of power. Powers are basically the same thing. The Classic Beyonder would be able to take Anti Monitor at full power out. 12984. The time lords are at their best. Just checked, you're right, my bad. Stronger than scp-3125 who in turn can exist in noosphere, noosphere contains and surpass narrative within scp which in turn even one narrative in surpass uncountable infinite narratives and oh yeah by the way this is THE SMALLEST narrative and it’s already pre retcon beyonder in turn there are infinite narratives which each surpass each other in. Doom get the drop on him and take his power. The Presence is an omnipotent God, I take it? Forums. The Beyonder is straight up more powerful than the character used as The One Above All's proxy. This would eventually change with later stories, as writers would rewrite and retcon the Beyonder's character and origin, to decrease his power and importance in the Cosmic Hierarchy. 1. The rest of the rounds Marvel is pretty dominant, maybe they could do something in the final round. R. This fight takes place in a neutral space and either party wants to kill the other. I guess ill make some rules 1. Man, This a huge mismatch. That makes me believe that Beyonder may not be all that he is made out to be. Having said this,we cannot scale and judge Pre Retcon Beyonder from what the Ivory Kings do. I don't know the specifics of how post-retcon Beyonder was nerfed, but the other two rounds are stomps in favor of Beyonder. Pre Retcon Beyonder is far far beyond any of his other forms. He got trick by low level being while Lucifer is the smartest and trickiest being so i say lucifer morningstar win this. 0. The Beyonder beat them rather easily - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3,. That concludes beyonder feats now what I conclude from this is:-. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). The story is a flashback to the original Secret Wars so he had Pre-Retcon Beyonder's powers, that's the Spider-Man being used. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. MCU God of stories Loki vs Pre Retcon Beyonder. After discovering and observing our universe (616) through the pinhole, Beyonder destroys an entire galaxy and creates the battle world from it to act as a battlefield for the secret war between the superheroes and villains - Scan 1 and Scan 2. MM is superior to LT due to defeating the Beyonders, who one-shotted LT in a. They don’t have a weak point in their past to travel to. Mr. Thanos here probably has more power but Beyonder might win off of a technicality. The level determines the final score, of the Super Power, being used in the calculation. •beyonder is omnipotent in the beyond realm. 8. 9. Pre retcon beyonder one shots all. 5: Molecule Man 6: Lifebringer Galactus. Current Beyonder vs New 52 Spectre. Just because Beyonder, originally wasnt from marvel multiverse doesnt mean that Beyonder isnt a marvel character, because he is. Doctor Manhattan was the only superpowered being in a world of basically ordinary superheroes. ago. 2. There has been several incarnations of the Beyonder, each a retcon of the one before. Femto would oneshot 100% of Marvel not even Pre-Retcon Beyonder can stop this monster, you have to be as powerful as Lucifer Morningstar to have a chance of fighting Femto but even then i would. 3. High-End Composite Time Lords and High-End Interpretation Downstreamers 3. as strong as mxy was, he was nowhere near that level. Strange, Sorcerer Supreme 10: The In-Betweener. Levels of power on the forum are determined for the most part by the feats shown by the combatants. Just because it's the pre-retcon Beyonder, it doesn't mean his opponents are at the power level they were in pre-retcon days. PR Beyonder was somehow tricked by dr doom and lost his power which is dumb tbh. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. Especially if they all team up on him. #1. Galactus Fused 23. The result is pretty obvious. @yamiyodare: Living Tribunal has held 2. :The mage got a rest time of 1 day between the fights. VS. Follow 41274. Round 5 : Beyonder Curbs ( it is said that his power is far superior to MM. The Darkest Knight (Man who laughs) vs The Beyonder. The camera zooms out of the celebrating teens only to show PRB above them with puppet strings in his hands. The rest was necessary PIS to make a more interesting story. The difference in power level between the two is therefore infinity. 10 years ago. g: Hulk (strongest variant), Sargeras. Defenders Beyond prove GoS abilities work on Beyonders or no. Pre-Retcon Beyonder can resurrect the Dead and can give whoever Power they never once had. #6 Edited By DC_Marvel_1000. . Otherwise there is. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. Yeah. 43. He was initially depicted. Reason? Preretcon beyonder can stand against TOAA and LT. Prepare for. g: Nyx (Persona), Lord Boros. But you are right about Elder God Demonbane being created just to be all powerful, Pre-Retcon Beyonder is kind of the same he was created to be TOAA of another multiverse outside of the Marvel. He was thousands of times the power of the Marvel. Preretcon Beyonder wins. ago. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. pr beyonder was way above LT, even when pr beyonder was weakened, he was still more powerful than a room full of abstracts, including LT. He was initially depicted as functionally omnipotent showing feats like creating planets and destroying galaxies. Something like "Weakest DC Villain that could beat Pre-Retcon Beyonder" would be fine though. You see, the thing is that Pre Retcon Beyonder is Secret Wars Beyonder, so it’s not completely incorrect in a away, but all these events are taking after the retcon, if you get what I mean. 3. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. LT. Thank you. The conversation about pre-retcon Beyonder?s power have torn down the thread about Thanos with the heart?s power. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A. FollowHe wielded the Dunamis Demiurgos which is the literal power of God. #1 Edited By XiiX. Forums. 2. Even LT feared him and begged him not to do everything he did. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder TOAA is Marvel and the Presence/Elaine Belloc is DC, but there's a quote by Jim Shooter and Stan Lee from Marvel that puts The Pre-Retcon Beyonder more higher-. If we don't then I think he would stop at 6 since Thought Robot is plot device designed to always beat the villain and Beyonder would be the villain in this situation from the perspective of Though Robot. The higher levels are kinda featless in Doctor Who. Motivation: ROB Fight in ROBverse. Pre Retcon is still cooler, jist because of cosmology Expansion, defenders beyonder seems stronger but he is featless for now. " So, name someone. Spectre, to me, has never proved to be an equal to LT.